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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 4:54 am 
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What's supposed to happen with the referral link then? That's not just a straight up "neopets.com" or are we all to assume that there is an implied consent to post this link elsewhere (or are we no longer allowed to gain referrals from web-sites?).


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The referral is a good example, by the way. They say to put it on your webpage, don't they? But then if you do, you risk breaking a rule?


No. The referral link is fine because it redirects to the home page.

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See this is where they get muddy. If they don't want any other sites having links to the wheels, omelette, etc. then spell it out. If we can't have any links, like to a trade or BC entry for voting or even the referral link, then they need to spell that out too.


You can't place ANY link on a third-party site that goes to ANY internal Neopets.com pages. You can ONLY link to the homepage, http://www.neopets.com. The referral link is fine because it redirects to the homepage. It's not like it sends you to the referrer's lookup or something.

Seems pretty clear to me. *shrug*

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Before they go enforcing it on other websites, why not get it under control on their own message boards? Nothing is ever a secret on the Neoboards.


You can still link to internal pages from WITHIN the site. Like, you can place a link to your BC entry from your lookup, or to your gallery from your shop. Or to all of these places from your pet's page, or on the Neoboards. You just can't do it from here on PPT, or your Livejournal, or any place that doesn't have neopets.com at the beginning of the URL. If they disabled internal links within the site it would be completely stupid.


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If they disabled internal links within the site it would be completely stupid.


Of course, arguably, forbidding external links to locations within the site is completely stupid.

What on Earth could it possibly gain them?

Oh, yeah, more pageviews. In theory.

In practice a lot of people just won't bother clicking unless they can go straight to where they want to go.


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What really bothers me about this condition is that it's new, and it puts a punitive condition on my use of the site. If I wanted to (for instance) do a blog entry that criticized their terms and conditions, I wouldn't be able to link to their terms and conditions without cancelling my membership first.

Basically, they are saying that, by having a neopet, and using their site, I can be sued for doing things that wouldn't be illegal for non-members. If I don't have an account, I'm not liable, but if I do have one of their accounts then they reserve the right to sue me?

As a working journalist I think they've crossed a very serious and dangerous line. The only question is whether I cancel my account before or after I start on the story.


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They can't enforce this. Honestly.

Lets say for a second that they start warning anyone who presses links to internal Neopets pages. Does that mean that having a good petpage linked in your bookmarks, or creating a link to the shop wiz that you use on your computer is now illegal?

They can't enforce this crap. This is just the lawyerbots making up excuses to fill up the space in the T&C, nothing more.


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What about places like Trap Door that does not actually have any internal links going to it?

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How can they possibly even keep track of ALL the Neopian fan sites out there, ALL the personal pages (angelfire, hometown, homstead, yada yada yada) and ALL the forums? They may be TNT, but they're no superheroes. I really don't think TNT will enforce this rule too much. But you never know, they have surprised us many times.


They can easily see where traffic to the site is directed from.


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What about places like Trap Door that does not actually have any internal links going to it?

:roflol:

Well, we can use code to tell others! :D A=B, C=D, E=F......

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I see no logical explanation behind the prohibition of linking to internal pages, other than bringing in more pageviews for them. This is utterly ridiculous.

Well, I have quite a good mind to do exactly what they say and ask before I want to post a link. Each time I feel like posting a link to an internal page, I'll shoot off an email to them asking them.
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Multiply that by 10 per day for the number of times I want post a link to a Neopets page. If we have everyone doing this, their mail servers will soon be clogged and they will need 10 times the number of staff to handle the emails.


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You know what, Qanda? That'd one heck of an idea. Although I'll still post Neopets links when I feel like it, because
A) I think this is absolutely ridiculous, and
B) I think they can't enforce this

And just to prove myself correct
http://www.neopets.com/freebies
http://www.neopets.com/petcentral.phtml
http://www.neopets.com/neoboards/index.phtml

Ph33r me for I am a rebel.


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If they disabled internal links within the site it would be completely stupid.


Of course, arguably, forbidding external links to locations within the site is completely stupid.


No, that's just pretty stupid. Disabling internal links within the site is COMPLETELY stupid. lol :lol:

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Well technically speaking, there is a difference between a link and a website address. We could still post internal addresses -- just don't make them clickable. Put a space between the dot and com. Then people would just have to copy the address, put it into their browser window, and remove the spaces... Just an idea.. :roll:


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Their point of view : Let's force people to have to click through from the homepage to get everywhere instead of quick links. That way they'll have to go to the chat boards to get unlinked pages' URLs which mean they generate lots of page views. Hooray!

Our point of view : I can't click it, I can't be bothered finding it. I guess I won't go there.


I'm definately going to start asking permission before posting a link anywhere though. So if you see a [Link pending approval] somewhere on my post it means they haven't responded yet.


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I'm definately going to start asking permission before posting a link anywhere though. So if you see a [Link pending approval] somewhere on my post it means they haven't responded yet.

Judging from TNT's efficiency, I'll check twice a year to see if the link is up yet. :)


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Hey, Neopets are getting more effective. They've got that FAQ Wiz in beta testing to stop constant repitition of questions. It's at [Link Pending Approval]


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I see oppotunities for ridicule. :)

Note how it says "neopets-related fansites" rather than "anyone" or "neopets users". This only applies if I were to, say, put a link to NeoQuest on IDNQ frontpage. As far as I can see, it doesn't cover people posting links on forums (much like the "no neopets images on pages with ads" does not cover forums).

(Forum-wise, if it ever comes to that, it'll be easy to modify all neopets.com links to lead to a page saying "can't link there, copy & paste address below to continue")


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everconfused wrote:
This could have ramifications for something like even a trade or BC link, couldn't it? That's a page within the site.


they even say on the trades, here's the link to tell people your trades

Also, what about pet pages? they're within neopets, but they tell you the address to link to for them!


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