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What you've also got to remember is. That some people don't like gender definition anyway. I like them to be neutral... One of my pets is a tranny :P


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I think its a horrible idea. I try to image what they would do in order to make a pet look female: add heavy eyelids & eyelashes, add bows, add pink accesoires and other possible female cliches :x
I have 4 female pets, and I'll be seriously mad if they do that.


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...If I see my Halloween Cybunny in pink bows, I swear I'll quit.


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Indeed. Given that most of the female Royal pets are your stereotypical Barbiesque princesses, pink and fluffy, I shudder to think what they'd come up with to differentiate between male and female pets in other colors.

My female Eyrie and Darigan Peophin don't need giant pink bows, thank you very much.


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VirtualMetal wrote:
What you've also got to remember is. That some people don't like gender definition anyway. I like them to be neutral... One of my pets is a tranny :P


I agree. I'd be very dissapointed if neo started defining pets by gender. (I would actualy probably quit) Honestly It annoys me that they'ed even made the distinctions that they have.

I understand the desier to do so for those pets that have clothes -- although i don't approve. (I would have allowed people painting with say a royal paintbrush to choose the look they wanted for their pet or better yet have two seperate paintbrushes for royalboy and royalgirl) But doing something like that to the poor innocent regular painted pets is just silly. It would add an annoying element to the site. Seriously there's no way to realy differentiate between the genders of most of the pets without reverting to steriotyping, and probably sexist ( not to mention ugly)steriotyping at that.

*Sigh* if there's realy that much of a problem with the usul I agree with hollypop that it needs a revamp anyway. Then it can be more gender neutral like pets should be.

Also I'm sick to death about people complaining about male pink pets. I know plenty of guys who wear pink. It's not some strange ailen thing. And it's not even as if the pets have ANY feminine touches they're just a flat fill colour *wanders off muttering to herself*


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Indeed. Given that most of the female Royal pets are your stereotypical Barbiesque princesses, pink and fluffy, I shudder to think what they'd come up with to differentiate between male and female pets in other colors.

My female Eyrie and Darigan Peophin don't need giant pink bows, thank you very much.


no no no, they wouldn't have to do something like that. Your Thinking a bit over the top. :P

Girl pets would probably be "fluffier" for lack of better words, i.e., female wockys would probably have a few extra tufts of fur like around the paws and stuff, plus, the pose would be more feminine. Male wockys would have a larger main, and more manlly pose. Kinda get what I’m saying? Just a few things so you can differentiate.

They probably shouldn’t touch the darigan pets though, that I do agree with, darigan pets aren’t meant to look female at all really. Well, some are, but they can still look male. (the darigan ashia looks female, but it could be male to)

Personally, If they do do it, the new kougra should be the boy version, it LOOKS male, I mean, come on, it’s got a beard thingy! >_<

Some pets WOULD be a bit of a challenge, like the grarrl, but to be a female pet, it doesn’t really have to LOOK female per say, but simply be easy to tell from the male. So give on of the two some sort of frilly head dinosaur thing…and change the poses a little, there ya go. :)

Some pets really NEED to be done, like the Usul, simply because it’s one of those non-neutral pets. >_<


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What you've also got to remember is. That some people don't like gender definition anyway. I like them to be neutral... One of my pets is a tranny :P


I agree. I'd be very dissapointed if neo started defining pets by gender. (I would actualy probably quit) Honestly It annoys me that they'ed even made the distinctions that they have.

I understand the desier to do so for those pets that have clothes -- although i don't approve. (I would have allowed people painting with say a royal paintbrush to choose the look they wanted for their pet or better yet have two seperate paintbrushes for royalboy and royalgirl) But doing something like that to the poor innocent regular painted pets is just silly. It would add an annoying element to the site. Seriously there's no way to realy differentiate between the genders of most of the pets without reverting to steriotyping, and probably sexist ( not to mention ugly)steriotyping at that.

*Sigh* if there's realy that much of a problem with the usul I agree with hollypop that it needs a revamp anyway. Then it can be more gender neutral like pets should be.

Also I'm sick to death about people complaining about male pink pets. I know plenty of guys who wear pink. It's not some strange ailen thing. And it's not even as if the pets have ANY feminine touches they're just a flat fill colour *wanders off muttering to herself*


I totally agree. A creature's (human's) character is not defined by gender, but society, commercials and stereotypes.


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What you've also got to remember is. That some people don't like gender definition anyway. I like them to be neutral... One of my pets is a tranny :P


I agree. I'd be very dissapointed if neo started defining pets by gender. (I would actualy probably quit) Honestly It annoys me that they'ed even made the distinctions that they have.

I understand the desier to do so for those pets that have clothes -- although i don't approve. (I would have allowed people painting with say a royal paintbrush to choose the look they wanted for their pet or better yet have two seperate paintbrushes for royalboy and royalgirl) But doing something like that to the poor innocent regular painted pets is just silly. It would add an annoying element to the site. Seriously there's no way to realy differentiate between the genders of most of the pets without reverting to steriotyping, and probably sexist ( not to mention ugly)steriotyping at that.

*Sigh* if there's realy that much of a problem with the usul I agree with hollypop that it needs a revamp anyway. Then it can be more gender neutral like pets should be.

Also I'm sick to death about people complaining about male pink pets. I know plenty of guys who wear pink. It's not some strange ailen thing. And it's not even as if the pets have ANY feminine touches they're just a flat fill colour *wanders off muttering to herself*


I totally agree. A creature's (human's) character is not defined by gender, but society, commercials and stereotypes.


CHARACTERISTICS are, though. Girl humans, for example, are generally smaller, shorter and have different shaped jawbones, none of which are results of society or stereotype. These traits are due to GENETICS. Donna (I hope) means just adding these non-stereotypical traits to pets; genetic differences between male and female pets rather than society's differences.

Imo, girls and boys are different, and not just by society, commercials, and stereotypes. Hormones, for instance, make us totally different. Plus our minds are just stuctured differently ^^ Why do you think barbies don't appeal to boys but appeal to girls? You can't really believe it's all society's fault, can you?

You really have a tranny pet? Lol. RHPF anyone?


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Meh, I wouldn't want the pets to be different just 'cuz of the gender... They'd make my Faerie Shoyru not cute (even though he's a dude), and my Draik super-cute (iiick).

*wonders what Atamand would've looked like when he was a female Elephante* O___O... *goes to vomit*


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Forgive my logic if it's rather illogical (o_0), but Neopets are just pets. They're less real than the dogs and cats we have at home, and they don't have obvious gender distinctions at a very brief glance. So why should Neopets?

Plus, I already have a male striped wocky named Kouteki, which sounds more feminine then masculine. Imagine if he was revamped with a turned-backwards baseball cap or something. x_X


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Ooh. I started a serious discussion here.

Honestly, as much as I'm curious about what differences there'd be between a male and female Ixi, I'd really rather leave them the way they are. Like I said in my original post, differentiating between genders doubles the amount of graphics needed for a single colour... and we all know TNT current track record with colours.

I do think, though, that they need the base pets (and certain other colours - pink, purple, orange, brown, etc) to be gender neutral... which means the Usul needs to lose its bow.

Then, if they want to differentiate between genders, make a few more gender-dependent brushes, like Royal and Usuki (and Quigiki, if you want to get technical). But that should be down the track, after they've sufficiently fleshed out the number of pets that can be painted Royal... I mean, out of 49 pets they're up to... what? 10...


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Meh, personally I'd prefer it if TNT didn't make distinctions between female and male pets. *shrug* I'm perfectly happy with the way my pets look. I'm not trying to be a smart mouth or anything, but if someone created a pet and made it a gender that they didn't think fit that pet, than why didn't they change the pet or create a different one? Personally I don't have any problems seeing any of the pets as both male and female. Perhaps with some of them it is a bit more difficult, but I can still see the pets as both genders. I guess if TNT does end up making distinctions, my only hope is that they don't take it too far. :)


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Honestly, I think everyone is over thinking it. Yes, there are a few pets that could probably use a revamping because they aren't "gender neutral. But also in the same breath I don't think they should be necessarily(sp?) be making gender distinctions between pets beyond the royal pets. Maybe the royal pet thing was a bad idea to begin with (not saying i won't buy one and use it).

In all fairness they should just make they pets on the site "gender neutral" other than the royal pets which need the obvious gender distinctions. I don't thinkk if they started making the distinctions between male and female on all the pets i would quit. I don't play the game for the pets in the game. I play it for enjoyment and because it is a game. If i wanted to play it for the pets i have two dogs sitting in the room with me, and i don't think they'd mind me playing with them more than i already do.


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"This may be something we do in the way distant future" - she's clearly forgotten that they already do differentiate for Royal, Usuki and Quiguki, and hopefully the trend will continue, because I like it :D

Personally, I hope if they do male and female wockies, the female won't look like this rather grotesque shopkeeper:

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That is VERY scary. O.o I hope that if they do this, they'll just tweak little details of the pets to make them more gender-specific. But really, I think everything is fine the way they are.


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I agree with Leafie- Neopets are pets. Real life pets are neutral, so why shouldn't the Neopets?

The Royal female pets do look like Barbie dolls, minus the unrealistic proportions. They're girlier than a two-year-old girl who's idol is Barbie, and who's favourite things are pink (colour) and clothes. >_<

I don't want pets that can be defined as 'female' or 'male'. To define them would be to stereotype- everyone's different. They'd have to have pierced!skater!punk!girl, goth!girl, tomboy!girl, girly!girl, not-girly-but-a-girl!girl, mix-of-everything!girl, etc. etc. I mean, I'm a girl, and I do like pink, and I enjoy being graceful and feminine-like (even if I'm far from being so), but if you ever, EVER try to make me wear ruffles or lace, I will hurt you.

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