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I've just gone cross-eyed!


How funny. After reading the prior pages of this thread, I just told my daughter that my brain hurt. Then I flip to the next page and see that you have gone cross-eyed. :D

Too many logical explanations out there that are going to keep people tossing and turning in their sleep. Which is what Neo undoubtedly intended with this crazy conundrum of theirs.

It can only be determined once Neopets closes the competition and knows the exact number of players who entered the competition and each person's answer. Until then, it is a best guess for all of us.

An example to illustrate: Say only 10 people enter the competition (not a realistic number but an easy number to work with). First scenario: 1 person chooses 10, 1 person chooses 20, 1 person chooses 30, 5 people chose 50, 1 person chooses 70, 1 person chooses 90. The 5 people who chose 50 win--because 5 out of ten people is 50 percent. Second scenario: 1 person chooses 10, 1 person chooses 20, 1 person chooses 30, 1 person chooses 40, 1 person chooses 50, 1 person chooses 60, 1 person chooses 70, 1 person chooses 80, 1 person chooses 90, and 1 person chooses 100. The 1 person who chose 10 wins--because 1 out of 10 people is 10 percent.

Meaning: Because we cannot predict how anyone else is going to answer, this is pretty much a random contest. If everyone chose 100, everyone would win. But not everyone will figure that out--so 100 is out of the picture. So, it could be any number and no one will know until it is determined exactly how many people answered and what their answers were.


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.....I think my brain just died.

I should show this to my math teacher. He's going on and on about how logic is math and math is logic and yadda yadda yadda. Well, let's seem him figure this one out.

Let me just tell you, if I was a robot, my circuits would be overheated by now. Kaboom, fried, on fire. I could fry an egg on my brain right now. But yet...I'm really looking foward to what TNT says the answer is.

Hmmmm...the anticipation...


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It is quite logical. It cannot be 100% or 0% (an estimation on an assumption of average # of people who submit answers) and the only thing that is for certain in between is that the winners will want to to be MUCH closer to 0 than 100 so that the payoff is larger.

Theoretically, you could assume that everbody guess randomly (and therfore evenly throughout the number spectrum) so that one could mathematically determine where an even distribution would meet up with a percentage for this model (actual # of participants would not matter in such an problem) but it might not even hold true in this instance.


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Well, be glad that everybody isn't guessing 0%. Wouldn't that be a fun paradox?
it could never be 0%, because then it would be correct, thus -> 1 % :P

i submitted something low, though joltmupp made a good point that might create some confusion :)


it COULD be zero. .... i .. think. They said to round it to the nearest whole number, and if very few people guess it correct, and 5 thousand people enter, and only a few get it right... thatd be a small percentage.... which could be rounded to zero.


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Hey, maybe any correctly entered number is correct. Then all you have to to is figure out what percentage of people will enter disqualified answers like answers with percentage signs or letter characters.

On a whim I guessed high. When I first read it, I thought, how simple, everyone will guess 100, and we'll all get a split of the NP. But it sounds like many decided to go for low or purely chaotic percentages. Poop.


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teh question is how many people will get it correct HA! next: what percentage of petpets pee once a day?

I guessed 3% :)


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TNT's definition of making conundrums "harder" seems to be basing them heavily on luck... :roll:


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TNT's definition of making conundrums "harder" seems to be basing them heavily on luck... :roll:


Well, it pretty much has to be based on luck, because if there's ever a question with a verifiable answer, it's blabbed all over the boards.


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Well, it pretty much has to be based on luck, because if there's ever a question with a verifiable answer, it's blabbed all over the boards.


True, I suppose making it luck based makes it infinitely fairer too. I'd like to see someone argue that luck is "unfair" because some people are luckier than others :) Personally, I thought this weeks question was quite a thought provoking one.


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This is really confusing. My brain is about to burst. *bang* too late. :( Sheesh it's mainly luck this time. Oh well everyone has a 1% chance of winning.


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Stars_of_Night wrote:
This is really confusing. My brain is about to burst. *bang* too late. :( Sheesh it's mainly luck this time. Oh well everyone has a 1% chance of winning.


Except for the people who win, who have a 100% chance of winning. :evil:


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Stars_of_Night wrote:
This is really confusing. My brain is about to burst. *bang* too late. :( Sheesh it's mainly luck this time. Oh well everyone has a 1% chance of winning.


Actually, it depends on the answer. If the answer is 5, then everyone has a 5% chance of winning!


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WaylonJSmithers wrote:
Stars_of_Night wrote:
This is really confusing. My brain is about to burst. *bang* too late. :( Sheesh it's mainly luck this time. Oh well everyone has a 1% chance of winning.


Actually, it depends on the answer. If the answer is 5, then everyone has a 5% chance of winning!


Hmm, I think everyone had a 50% chance of winning. They either do, or they don't. Heh heh.
When do Lenny Conundrums usually end? A week later? I'm a bit new to the confusing world of LC's.


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Hmm, I think everyone had a 50% chance of winning. They either do, or they don't. Heh heh.
When do Lenny Conundrums usually end? A week later? I'm a bit new to the confusing world of LC's.

Following your reasoning the world has a 50% chance of ending the next minute too. It either does, or it doesn't. :P

LCs normally end in a week's time.


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