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I just thought I'd toss in my two cents, which is really a question more than anything else.

There around 8000 different items in neopia. Even if three-quarters of those are worthless (which I seriously doubt), that leaves 2000 different items to snipe from the shop wiz.

Is the new super shop wiz REALLY going to make so much of a difference that shop wiz snipers can't find a single one of those 2000 items that people regularly misprice?

Perhaps it wouldn't if everyone got together and developed a wiz-stalking plan. I'll search for all the gourmet foods begining with A and rhyme with influenza and you'll search for all the battle dome items that look like bowling balls. That's not the way it works. The most common things people search for are codestones, faeries, dubloons, transmogs, morphing potions, and paint brushes with maybe a few high end battle dome weapons. That's about 7 different types of items, not 2000. I don't believe it's going to make it impossible, but for something that relies heavily on luck and timing, it's certainly not going to get any easier. It does put nonpremium players at a disadvantage when they weren't before. Exluding people exploiting a glitch with the service, how much of a disadvantage remains to be seen. You can't really judge either way until people who wizstalk a lot have had a few weeks to notice any major differences. It's not the only way to make np, but like np payout reductions from games, it's annoying if you're effected.

I went ahead and restarted my Premium account because the curiosity killed me...

It is an advantage. It really is. It's not something I'll be using unless I'm looking for an unbuyable for my gallery.

I think that is a very good move on TNT's part- and I'm glad they are paying attention to the comments.

I think this makes it much fairer.

I didn't think it was that unfair to start with.
People just like to complain, and I don't blame them.

Anyway I think the image has been updated

For the people who are complaining that non premiums will now suffer, put it in a different perspective.

Now, some of the slower users that never used to be able to restock have a chance to beat the snipers who always get it before them. I was just using the super shop wiz and it banned me after 7 tries. However, I was using it earlier today.

I honestly don't think it will hurt the non-premiums, it will just help some of the slower users that have premium now. Therefore, it could be a good thing.

I think Corey777 made a very good point. There are people who can't catch items on the regular shop wiz because of their connections who were suddenly able to compete with everyone else for 20 searches on the super wiz. So, now these people are back at a disadvantage because they now only get 5 tries.

Now it's reduced to 5 which makes me ask why bother at all?

Seriously, how many people make their income by shop wiz restocking? I know a lot of people do, but aren't gamers and store restockers far more? Not that I'm saying everyone isn't important, but there will always be someone complaining about something.

I don't understand how wiz restocking is fair to begin with anyway. Aren't you taking advantage of someone who doesn't know how to price? How the heck is that fair? I don't see you all howling over the rights of that user who priced their codestone for 100 np that you bought and sold for 5k. You are making a profit off of someone's ignorance, so I don't see how you think it's fair to complain others got 20 faster searches an hour when you get 300 regular ones to rip people off. Now they only get 5 fast searches, which seems ridiculous to me. Do you even think of what you are actually doing to begin with?

I do not see how 20 faster searches, when the regular shop wiz gives you hundreds of tries makes that much of a difference. With the super wiz, the whole page reloads before you can grab it anyway. You might search faster, but you can buy faster with the regular. In the time that the page reloads, a regular wizzer could refresh a couple times and find the item anyway.

My two cents, yet again (are you surprised?).

First, I have noticed that they have severely cut the number of tries you get on the super shop wiz.

Second, I am a pretty good shop wiz hunter and I have to say that I am finding a lot more bargains while using the regular shop wiz than while using the super shop wiz. Because it is easier to refresh on the regular shop wiz and the pages load faster. Yesterday, I found a negg for 50 nps on the regular wiz. In that same shop, I found two petpets also for 50 nps. I do believe that if I had waited for the super shop wiz page to load the negg would have been gone by the time I had gotten to the shop.

Third, and I really think this one is important, I think that there is a temporary increase in shop wiz snipers because of this. People who normally wouldn't shop wiz snipe decided to check it out because they heard that other people were doing it. My guess is that the person who found that pb isn't not going to be able to repeat that every day. And, sooner or later is going to get bored with shop wiz hunting--because he can't find that elusive pb in his allotted 5 tries. And, then that person will go back to doing whatever he did to make nps before the invention of the super shop wiz.

Reselling is an art. It is risky. It can be extremely boring. It requires a lot of nps in order to do it successfully--nps that might be tied up for awhile. Because of the market fluctuation, it requires a substantial investment of time. You have a lot of competitors to contend with. And, it really involves a whole lot more than just lucking out and finding a pb every now and then.

My guess is that a lot of people who suddenly became shop wiz snipers will quit in frustration in a fairly short period of time.

You can now no longer search for anything with the words paint brush, map, transmogrification, morphing, nerkmid and a few more no doubt. Bit of a backfire on their part as a lot of people signed up for premium due to this and now they're all cancelling!

As for me I hope that if they are doing this then they raise the number of allowed searches back to what it was before. I wasn't using it for pricing but for my snow faerie, kitchen and esophogar quests and pricing my shop which I now can't do as it only allows FIVE searches an hour. Five searches an hour and you're as well not having a super wiz.

Stop the sniping of items like pbs, tps and mps by all means - I'm actually glad of that one(!) - but please let me use it like I did before, it was so much handier for pricing my shop

Edit: it appears the number of searches allowed has now gone up! Could this be a good solution for everyone?

That's a great idea. So you can still price your shop, look for stuff for your gallery and for quests, yet keep the premium people from grabbing the mis-priced big-ticket items. Sounds like a good solution.

I think the limit might have been changed back down because for the last two hours I have just been able to search ten times before being banned. >.< Before that I was able to price my whole shop. I can't get much of anything priced with only ten searches.

Well, to begin with, I think with the new changes the super shop wiz isn't really unbalanced anymore. However, I still would like to address this:


Actually, I don't think anyone can seriously complain that their "rights" were infringed if they mispriced an item wrongly themselves, out of their own ignorance. Sure, this may sound harsh, but in any game, our ability should determine our success. Ignorance of prices is a bit similar to not knowing how to play a game properly. If you don't even know how to play a game properly, how can you expect to succeed?

I'm not saying we should trample all over new users who are ignorant of prices, but everyone came through the newbie period before. When you are new, you inevitably make mistakes. You should learn from your mistakes and find out more about how the market works, rather than blame the resellers for buying your mispriced goods. Once you've priced something, it's fair game.

The allowed searches now are too low -- I was using the SSW for pricing my shop. It is nice to just see a whole list when you're trying to find out much something's worth rather than having to keep refreshing over and over. And it's not just that the SSW searches are definitely lowered, it's that they count toward regular SW searches.

At this point, I wish they'd never even brought the SSW out. It's been nothing but a mess, people are yelling, fighting, complaining all over the place.

As for people who are trying to get around what's not allowed to be searched for on the SSW, please don't. First because I wouldn't want to see anyone get in trouble and also because if they don't want us searching for specific things, then that's it - we shouldn't use it for that. To me it's kind of like trying to bypass a filter on the boards or anywhere else. Just not a good idea.

Well, I like the fact that super wiz sniping has been cut down in effectiveness.

But now I feel sorry for the Premiums. I wouldn't mind if they 20-30 searches now, so long as they can't snipe with it

I agree 100%. Obviously TNT is trying too hard to please everyone, which is simply not possible. So no matter what they do, some party is going to be ticked off about it. Personally, I'm very tired of the arguing and belly-aching from BOTH sides. I wish they'd just get rid of the stupid thing all together.