Big shops frozen

ystava · **Posts:** 8 **Joined:** Mon Jun 07, 2004 7:32 am

Zenial wrote:

I guess the reason for tnt to not return items that have gone missing from a shop is that they have no way to find out what items they were. Once data's gone, it's gone. And one could send screenshots but of course those prove nothing at all. I could easily make a fake screenshot that shows hundreds of paintbrushes in my store...

They must have restored the data from a backup they made a few nights before because I had did a major restocking of my shop that Sunday before it happened, and when they did restore my main shop all that stuff was missing. I asked them to at least give me my money back that I spent on that stock. I told them if they looked at my bank account they would see Sunday morning I had x amount, and Monday when the problem occurred, I only had x amount left, but they said, "sorry we don't reimburse people for glitches, hackings, etc.".

So they were only being half fair.

mizzy · **Posts:** 194 **Joined:** Sun Jun 27, 2004 2:54 am

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But they said, "sorry we don't reimburse people for glitches, hackings, etc.".

That is so unfair! So how come the "Uber-Players" get their items/np back??? If they get their stuff back, it's wrong that you don't get your stuff back. I suppose its just a matter of favouritism.

everconfused · **Posted:** Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:24 pm

mizzy wrote:

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But they said, "sorry we don't reimburse people for glitches, hackings, etc.".

That is so unfair! So how come the "Uber-Players" get their items/np back??? If they get their stuff back, it's wrong that you don't get your stuff back. I suppose its just a matter of favouritism.

And this is a surprise because? It's sounding kind of like that big security "glitch". After the fact, when something was finally said, I believe it was also said that anyone affected would get their account and everything in it (np, items, petpets, pets) back. Well, there were people who never got their accounts back, or if they did, they found empty accounts and were never given anything back. Were they "uber-players"? Not for the most part. I know of 1 very popular person who did not get any of their items/np back. I believe the "ubers" all did - eventually.

What's kind of odd with this particular shop/freezing thing is Alombar is an Uber Player and is pretty popular (whether you like this person or not). After I read this topic when it was new, I checked the BD, as I know they hung out there. No one was even mentioning the name. You all who go to the boards know what it's like when someone "famous" gets frozen.

alombar42 · **Posted:** Sat Oct 02, 2004 7:53 pm

There may be some reasons like "too much power", "give space to other users", and so on. You see, I own the top-shop for three years and the second top shop for two years...

Obviously, cheating is just an easy (even automated) excuse and I'll definitely wait for a proper explanation.

BTW, all these accts are mine.

Morningstar wrote:

Alombar42, bacardi42, and mauri_kota were just frozen within the past day or so for using a cheat program.

I am sure my shops receive thousands of reports daily (I personally own four of the 12 linked in the mall shops), but Neopets know about it and are obviously used to this.
It's extremely easy to make neopoints if you own the top shop and target specific categories of users (map buyers and newbies were my loved targets, thus the cheap maps, coins and neggs). During a weekend, 2 million nps is just an easy aim. When I really need nps, I just reprice items - newbies will buy anyway. As an example, I sell more than 10 items worth 1 np for 2000 nps daily.
Oh, I don't ask linked shops to contribute anything - I spend enough time online for restocking and I have enough items/nps to remain top shop for ever.
This last phrase is, most probably, the key for the freezing.

alombar42

Mystique wrote:

his main source of income, from how we look from the outside, is from his malls. hence, he don't restock from main shops, ruling out autobuyers. he has few game trophies hence ruling out cheating in games. refreshers? that sounds absurd because it doesn't give a mall-owner any advantage at all. then, we come to shop wiz autobuyers (if they were any such programs). if anyone looked at the pricing in his shop and know how mall-owners work, they need not buy the cheapest deal on the shop wizard.

my guess would be he was mass reported by some players who dislike mall-owners and think they are cheating. there were some other conspiracy theory like how neopets is trying to even the playing field and stuff like that.

Morningstar · **Posted:** Sat Oct 02, 2004 11:34 pm

Wow, alombar speaks. I was hoping somehow or another that you would somehow, someway let the "general public" know what happened. And, my post did it. I am glad I posted.

Please let me say, with utmost sincerity, that I am so very sorry. I cannot imagine spending so much time building up such great accounts to have them taken away in a blink of an eye--with such ambiguious explanation.

I resell ETS's on an extremely much smaller scale than you--but always used your shops as a basis to figure out my pricing. And, greatly admired your hard-work and massive shops, as did many of us here on PPT.

My guess, like Mystique said, was that you were set up for a fall--and how very unfair that is.

You have my support and, please, if there is anything I can do to help, PM me. I have a bit of experience with getting frozen accounts unfrozen.

Best of luck to you, alombar.

everconfused · **Posted:** Sun Oct 03, 2004 12:30 am

*shakes head* I am with Morningstar on this ... I am sorry too.

It appears that Mystique's hunch may just be the case. You were "too" successful. And that's just absurd. There's no way knocking you or any of the other "uber", "famous" - however you put it - will make more room for anyone else.

This is a mystery to me. I've heard before of people being frozen if they've made too much too quickly - in TNT's eyes, not that they were in any way cheating. This is the first time I can say in the time I've spent on the site that I've seen a long term, loyal, successful player frozen for such a reason.

I hope you will post again and let us know what progress you make, how you're doing, and do pm Morningstar. She does know some really good stuff!

Morningstar · **Posted:** Sun Oct 03, 2004 3:02 am

Alombar, one more thing: I really want you to know that there are always going to be some people who are jealous of your status--and those are the nasty people who in real life are always cutting you off in traffic and trying to steal your job or boy/girlfriend etc.--in other words, cutthroats.

But there are many others, like me, Mystique, everconfused, shapu, and ystava, and I am sure many others, who admire you greatly. I have nothing but the utmost respect for the players that started with this game or shortly thereafter. I only wished I had known about it then and didn't have pay-by-the-minute dial up at the time. But, those of you who did start years ago, and who stuck it out for all of those years, deserve to be the top players and ahead of the game. After all, you invested a whole lot more time than I and any newer player ever did. So, to smurf with any of those jealous players.

And, just to let you know, you aren't the only one got frozen due to, what appears to be, jealousy. One of my fellow guild members who is second in Neopia for gold trophies, and has tons of trophies and avs, recently got frozen for allegedly using an automated program. He deduced that it was a jealous uber Neopian who knew a staffer. I suggested a few staffer names to write to, which he did, and hours later, he was unfrozen.

So, like everconfused said (she and I think a lot alike), please use me to help you if I can. Even if it is to only give you the name of staffers who may be sympathetic to your plight.

Mystique · **Posts:** 687 **Joined:** Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:32 pm

from alombar42's post, i think i would invest 20m in creating a mall :lol:

..that is until i got my battle set finalised. TNT has always maintained that their monitors are preferably also players familiar with the game. sometimes i thought that it is not a good thing if the monitors are too active. for example, the restockers of the last three r99 faerie dolls were frozen, two of them for autobuying and the other one for "multi-ing". many players, mostly restockers and some resellers were frozen recently for "cheating" or downloading a cheat program...strange indeed..

alombar42 · **Posted:** Sun Oct 03, 2004 5:42 am

Thank you and everconfused for the comments, I really appreciate it.

Well, it is not about jealousy - it is just business: I am not the best example of Neopets' "target audience", how could I be allowed to be so "successful" or so... "famous"?

Of course it could just be a mistake - I have been frozen at least three times in the past and restored after I contacted some people there. The problem is that, this time, they accused me for cheating, which is very serious, and I am not wiling to accept it easily.
If they said "look, we need space for others", things would be much different. You see, they know me very well, they have checked my accounts a lot of times and I have even explained to Adam Powell himself (back on 2000) the ways I use to make neopoints.

I have also kept a good copy of Neopets' policies and terms. If anyone feels that he lost due to using (or non-using or inability to use) Neopets... "they are only liable for the cost you paid to access the site" or something like that. I was accessing Neopets until recently with a dial-up, paid by the minute, line...

All in all, if I receive a real answer (the one I have so far came from an inexistent mail address) and they insist on this excuse, I will definitely fight. You see, it may be a game, but I've spent four years contributing to that game.

Thanks again

PS: How to contact me: try looking for alombar42 in google...

Morningstar wrote:

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And, just to let you know, you aren't the only one got frozen due to, what appears to be, jealousy.
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So, like everconfused said (she and I think a lot alike), please use me to help you if I can. Even if it is to only give you the name of staffers who may be sympathetic to your plight.

SierraRaven · **Posted:** Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:22 am

This may sound like a dumb question, but I'm a little confused. Isn't it against the rules to make NPs on more than 1 account. I thought TNT had limited us to only selling out of 1 shop. From what I gather here, we're allowed to sell on all our accounts?? o_O

Mystique · **Posts:** 687 **Joined:** Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:32 pm

SierraRaven wrote:

This may sound like a dumb question, but I'm a little confused. Isn't it against the rules to make NPs on more than 1 account. I thought TNT had limited us to only selling out of 1 shop. From what I gather here, we're allowed to sell on all our accounts?? o_O

correctly, it should be that you shouldn't use more than your main account to make np for it. however, it's another matter if you use multiple accounts to make np to maintain those accounts. in other words, it should be legitimate if the np and stuff you got in an account stays there. conversely, there are also players who make np with one main account and distribute resources to multiple accounts which is also legitimate.

jellyoflight · **Posted:** Sun Oct 03, 2004 9:02 am

Alombar, I am really sorry to hear about that.

Like morningstar said, there will always be people jealous of someone's sucess.

And TNT is turning into a freeze machine...

Morningstar · **Posted:** Sun Oct 03, 2004 12:56 pm

SierraRaven wrote:

This may sound like a dumb question, but I'm a little confused. Isn't it against the rules to make NPs on more than 1 account. I thought TNT had limited us to only selling out of 1 shop. From what I gather here, we're allowed to sell on all our accounts?? o_O

Supposedly, it is not against the rules to have shops that sell on more than one account. You aren't allow to restock on more than one account, however.

xjox · **Posted:** Sun Oct 03, 2004 4:58 pm

I really feel for anyone who has been frozen for the most insane reasons, fortunately I have never been frozen so i cant really identify with it. Although i can imagine what it feels like having 4 years of hard work down the drain.

Slightly off topic though, I did a google for alombar42 to see how to contact him, and this rather bizarre site popped up, i thought id post it so everyone could have a darn good laugh!

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These people, some usernames, some staff, have all conspired on one thing - and that is to make money. They create items to sell at stores so people can buy them for rare codes that can possibly get them rich in return with the result of the code. I personally disagree with the way these people have handled the site. For one, frozen members certainly do not recieve the priveledge of getting a response in a suitable amount of time. Responses can take 2 or more years. Many of the elite players have formed early on connections with the staff there fore having the advantage of getting in contact with them earlier, for example featheralley. She actually knows Adam Powell in real life, suprise or not. And did you know that Alombar42 is actually not from Greece. He is actually one of the conspirers of the neopets team. Adam and him planned that it would be a smart idea for Alombar to own a large shop so they can catch cheaters in action while they attempt to upgrade to his mighty shop size. Obviously, staff catch on to this. Not only do they freeze cheaters, but they freeze those that abide by the rules. They look out for those that have the potential of upgrading above this shop size, and unwanting to take the risk of them upgrading above alombar, they freeze them before hand. HRobi - one of the most elite players on the site. She was once a moderator believe it or not, and she was a close friend of alombar. I don't want to waste my time dwelling on this person, but let me just tell you that she has recieved most of her items for free. The APRIL attacks was one of the major events that occured on neopets. This was the even that took play when entering a username in the fake login page showed their password along with their information. This was actually an unplanned event, although staff didn't act quick for one reason, and that obvious reason is because they were focusing on protecting the elite players first.

Its your decision to stay with neopets. Of course its fun and games, but don't get to attached because soon you will end up like the many who have achieved something and lost it all for unfair freezings.

Now you ask, how do I know this...hrmp, it's as simple as this. My brother's friends uncle's daughters classmates sister's cousin was a retired staff member, a person I actually know in person, and live just a few blocks away from.

Now, I leave you with your thoughts and decisions. Good Luck in whatever you plan to do.

It goes without saying that this was indeed posted before the freezings, but i wonder if someone didnt read this and report it to neo, eventing in the seemingly random freezings.......

Qanda · **Posted:** Sun Oct 03, 2004 5:06 pm

alombar42 wrote:

There may be some reasons like "too much power", "give space to other users", and so on. You see, I own the top-shop for three years and the second top shop for two years...

That's utterly ridiculous! Why should TNT freeze someone just because he/she has owned the largest shop in the whole of neopia for too long a time? I mean, so long that person has earned the neopoints fairly and legally, there is no reason for them to freeze that person. Its not as if hogging the place of the top shop will cause any loss to other neopians.

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