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What I say is an unlimited amount of searches with the Super Wiz BUT keep the filters on, and don't allow stuff like that to be able to be searched.

There are still people who might wiz snipe other items though =/

I think, with this system, allow for up to around about 40 or so searches. Unlimited is crazy, seeing as how normal wiz only gets 300.

Perhaps all us premiums could now do the write to tnt thing pointing out that since we can't search for those items anymore it would be nice to have the number of searches put back up again? Or at least have it set like the normal shop wizard where it's how many searches per minute rather than hour that count.

I can't price my shop with this now anymore either.

I agree.
Plus with all the new changes, it's not worth using. I was going to mention how pathetic it is how they are trying to please everyone, but you pretty much got it all down.

I totally agree with you, Qanda. One thing I would like to add to that. It isn't just people who misprice their items. As a reseller, I have found that many, many people sell things at a lower than market rate because they don't want to wait around for their neopoints. They want their points now and right now and so will price a negg or a codestone 1000 nps less than everyone else--so the thing sells instantly. Instead of pricing it at the market rate, where it might not sell for a few days to a few months, depending on what the item was. So, I don't think it is wrong, whatsoever, for me to take the risk by buying that item and hoping that it will sell, eventually, at the market rate.



That would be totally unfair to those without premium. There are lots of things to snipe on the wiz besides pbs and morphing potions. And, unlimited access means that you could pretty much snipe everything but the banned items. Perhaps, in addition to number of tries, the restriction should be based on number of shops from which you end up buying while on the super shop wiz. That way someone who is only pricing their shop or looking for something to buy for their gallery/quest, etc. gets more tries than someone who is continually refreshing and buying up all of the cheap codestones.

It may not be wrong to buy the small items that are a few hundred or even few thousand nps underpriced, but I would be surprised if I'm the only one who feels a little guilty when I snap up a lab map piece for 500nps, or a cybunny transmog or pb for 99k.

Either way it's all sorted now and I'm sure that unlike one user said (who I'm sure is a good exception to the rule) there will be an even bigger outcry if premium people are given their own shop/world/pet.

I agree with everconfused. I wish they'd never come out with the thing. People fighting back and forth over what's "fair" and what's not. I DO feel guilty about picking up codestones for cheap... but I don't qiz snipe. I just wanna price my shop!! Anybody know the current number of searches we can do? I'm on my mom's 33k internet right now and don't feel like refreshing all day at the normal wiz.

hmmm..... I've been following this whole debate for a while, and I figure it's about time for my own 2 cents worth.


I don't like the Super Shop Wiz, and I think Premium members could have had many other perks that would have been just as nice, without making it into a 'fair/unfair' debate. I wish it had never been implemented, but now that it's here I think everyone should make the best of it. (As TNT clearly isn't going to be deleting it any time soon.) That said, I don't think it's right to remove certain items from the search. Rather, I'd like to see the number of searches per hour greatly reduced. My idea is 10 searches per hour, but since I don't have premium I can't say if that's fair or not. Personally, I think the best way to make this fair is, let every item be searchable, but make a very small amount of searches per hour available. That way, Premium members can have a small perk, but they can't use it so often that it becomes unfair to all the players of neopets.

That would be the best way to make it very unfair, it only takes a tiny number of searches of MPs/TPs/PBs etc to make a huge profit. Do that every hour and that's an enormous amount of potential profit everyday. However by making those items unsearchable on the wiz nobody is disadvantaged - premium people can still look them up on the normal wiz just like everyone else. With more searches and non-searchable items premium people get the perk of being able to price their shop more quickly and being able to complete quests faster rather than the perk of making hundreds of thousands of NP more than non-premium people.

It seems to me that no matter how far backwards tnt bend for this though some people are just never going to be happy. I'm glad they introduced the super shop wiz, I'm glad they made some items unsearchable as that means I'm actually making more nps again on my non uber fast net connection and I'm glad that more people overall are happy. I think tnt has got it spot on now, or as close as it is going to get.

I've seen a staff member post on the premium board that they're still tweaking it, so its functionality will probably change a little more as they figure out what works best. The best thing they could do is fix it so those of us who were using it to price our shops could use it again, because it's pointless being banned after 10-15 items. The whole portal seems to be aimed at making playing more functional and organized, and many of the modules save you a lot of time. The SSW really should be a time saver, not a tool to gain an extroardinary amount of NP.

I'm not so sure it was all that great for wiz sniping, as the portal taks a bit to load. What I think was mostly going on, is that a ton of people who had never sniped before were suddenly trying it out. The premium boards were full of people shocked about what they were able to get off the wiz, and most seemed like they never had any idea it was even possible. If that many people were using the regular wiz to snipe things would've gone almost as crazy, I think. It's just a thought, but there it is.

I have broadband and a brand new super fast computer, and I was missing a lot of stuff on the SSW. Never got one good snipe. So, even there in premium it wasn't quite a free for all, survival of the fittest still applied there lol.

I was the one who mentioned the extra world or shops. Don't be afraid to mention my name

A different pet... maybe not the best idea. But a mini world, or shop wouldn't be all too bad IMO. As long as the shop didn't restock too many items, I don't see how this could be too bad.

But yeah, the Super Wiz is good now, but Premiums should get around 20-30 searches. As long as they can't snipe the best items, I think it's good.

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It's not so bad, I don't care about it, but they should start thinking on a new message...

It is free. You don't have to pay for a cent of it unless you choose to.

Q, I just finally moved from dial up to cable myself. I have to say the portal doesn't really load any faster than it did on dial up, and the SSW really does load slow. I've never been a good "sniper" either. I might be one of the few people who tried rs'ing on half price day and still got ripped off by the main shop pricing!

I think alot of people did try sniping for the first time when the SSW came out before the limitations. Yes, some of them did go to the other boards and start bragging and overstating the SSW which did make alot of people mad - both non-premium and premium.

It's to the point where there's premium hate boards popping up all over the place, nasty little things in siggies, etc. There's been animosity since the first referrals and the "prizes" - the avi and sidebar mostly. This all just made it worse.

I don't think there should be a separate mini world. I've seen boards where people are spreading rumors that premiums will get a 10% discount at the HT, will be able to see rs before the other members, that we can see when an auction we've bid on will end -- and alot of us try to tell people that we can't see those auctions, that there isn't any discount or being able to see anything before anyone else.

As far as an "unfair advantage", I'm at this point hoping they DO start the cell phone thing - those people WILL have access to a separate world and a special pet (Lutari) from what I'd read. If nothing else, maybe that'll stop some of the premium bashing and the arguments back and forth.

As to the front page "Free" statement - the site IS free. Premium, or the cellphone thing is optional. You don't have to have anything but a computer to play the site. I joined premium to get rid of ads (without having to d/l a different browser and figure it out), the portal, webmail (only use with other premium members, but it is helpful sometimes) and to help support a site I spend so much time at. The bill each month doesn't say Neopets, it is a different company, though of course I'm sure Neopets does get their share.

I've used the SSW for pricing my shop, it was very convenient for that, along with doing quest searches for people. That was the only real perk to having it for me. With the change to having a set low number of searches now and those searches counting toward your regular shop wiz searches for the month, I'm not really even using it for shop pricing now, just quest searches to try to help people out. I'm no angel, but I'm also not trying to gain any unfair advantage over anyone else, especially having been on dial up until late last week and just about all my np coming from games (they still do - I'm a terrible rs'er).

I think Kneazle's point was that the site's not completely free, which it isn't. You can't do everything on the site without paying. It's still free enough for me, though.