Big shops frozen

meowth1982 · **Posted:** Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:09 pm

xjox wrote:

I really feel for anyone who has been frozen for the most insane reasons, fortunately I have never been frozen so i cant really identify with it. Although i can imagine what it feels like having 4 years of hard work down the drain.

Slightly off topic though, I did a google for alombar42 to see how to contact him, and this rather bizarre site popped up, i thought id post it so everyone could have a darn good laugh!

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These people, some usernames, some staff, have all conspired on one thing - and that is to make money. They create items to sell at stores so people can buy them for rare codes that can possibly get them rich in return with the result of the code. I personally disagree with the way these people have handled the site. For one, frozen members certainly do not recieve the priveledge of getting a response in a suitable amount of time. Responses can take 2 or more years. Many of the elite players have formed early on connections with the staff there fore having the advantage of getting in contact with them earlier, for example featheralley. She actually knows Adam Powell in real life, suprise or not. And did you know that Alombar42 is actually not from Greece. He is actually one of the conspirers of the neopets team. Adam and him planned that it would be a smart idea for Alombar to own a large shop so they can catch cheaters in action while they attempt to upgrade to his mighty shop size. Obviously, staff catch on to this. Not only do they freeze cheaters, but they freeze those that abide by the rules. They look out for those that have the potential of upgrading above this shop size, and unwanting to take the risk of them upgrading above alombar, they freeze them before hand. HRobi - one of the most elite players on the site. She was once a moderator believe it or not, and she was a close friend of alombar. I don't want to waste my time dwelling on this person, but let me just tell you that she has recieved most of her items for free. The APRIL attacks was one of the major events that occured on neopets. This was the even that took play when entering a username in the fake login page showed their password along with their information. This was actually an unplanned event, although staff didn't act quick for one reason, and that obvious reason is because they were focusing on protecting the elite players first.

Its your decision to stay with neopets. Of course its fun and games, but don't get to attached because soon you will end up like the many who have achieved something and lost it all for unfair freezings.

Now you ask, how do I know this...hrmp, it's as simple as this. My brother's friends uncle's daughters classmates sister's cousin was a retired staff member, a person I actually know in person, and live just a few blocks away from.

Now, I leave you with your thoughts and decisions. Good Luck in whatever you plan to do.

It goes without saying that this was indeed posted before the freezings, but i wonder if someone didnt read this and report it to neo, eventing in the seemingly random freezings.......

*facepalms* It's like the X-Files for idiots. Who believes this stuff?? Some people just can't accept that some people are more successful than they are.

I've been on neopets for over 4 years (52 months woo!) and I have yet to reach my first million. But I'm not jealous of these people. I'm proud of them. I'm proud to be in that group of over 4 year members with such elite people. Sometimes I wish I had their gumption and intution when it comes to this game!

Alombar, I'm so sorry to see you get frozen...and I'm sorry you're targets of such smurf. If you ever need to just talk, or if you need anything when you get your account unfrozen (Cause I'm keeping my fingers triple crossed that you will!) let me know...my account name is meowth1982 too.

dissident · **Posted:** Sun Oct 03, 2004 7:54 pm

Qanda wrote:

That's utterly ridiculous! Why should TNT freeze someone just because he/she has owned the largest shop in the whole of neopia for too long a time? I mean, so long that person has earned the neopoints fairly and legally, there is no reason for them to freeze that person. Its not as if hogging the place of the top shop will cause any loss to other neopians.

Ehm, do you have any experience with TNT's freezing policies? They'll freeze you if your cat sneezes too loudly. And they'll say they did it to protect you from being hacked.

It must be nice being one of the "elite" players. I saw jazz_whatsit on the boards saying that he once got frozen unfairly and his account was spontaneously unfrozen 30 minutes later. He didn't even have to ask. Meanwhile most normal people have to wait a year for a "Sorry our system can't tell you why you were frozen" reply. Yup it's good to be big. Just look at how everyone is jumping over themselves to kiss Alombard's tush. I'm sure I'll get flamed for that, but geez. Let's all go download the yahoo toolbar so we can get a paintbrush, that's what's important.

alombar42 · **Posted:** Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:48 pm

dissident wrote:

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Yup it's good to be big. Just look at how everyone is jumping over themselves to kiss Alombard's tush. I'm sure I'll get flamed for that, but geez. Let's all go download the yahoo toolbar so we can get a paintbrush, that's what's important.

You are wrong in both statements, sorry

1) Being "big" is not a matter of chance - you have to spend A LOT of time and effort (and, sometimes, brains), millions of clicks and restocks and wizard lookups and price comparisons. Two years ago, when still trying really hard to make more neopoints, I was even using a spreadsheet to keep track of price changes vs availability of maps.
Also, "big" shop, does not mean "big" player - I only have items and neopoints (my pet is really weak compared to others, while I have almost no trophies, hi-scores etc).
2) By downloading a toolbar you fall into the same mistake of using a credit card: you can easily be traced.

Just my two cents

dissident · **Posted:** Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:51 pm

alombar42 wrote:

dissident wrote:

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Yup it's good to be big. Just look at how everyone is jumping over themselves to kiss Alombard's a**. I'm sure I'll get flamed for that, but geez. Let's all go download the yahoo toolbar so we can get a paintbrush, that's what's important.

You are wrong in both statements, sorry

1) Being "big" is not a matter of chance - you have to spend A LOT of time and effort (and, sometimes, brains), millions of clicks and restocks and wizard lookups and price comparisons. Two years ago, when still trying really hard to make more neopoints, I was even using a spreadsheet to keep track of price changes vs availability of maps.
Also, "big" shop, does not mean "big" player - I only have items and neopoints (my pet is really weak compared to others, while I have almost no trophies, hi-scores etc).
2) By downloading a toolbar you fall into the same mistake of using a credit card: you can easily be traced.

Just my two cents

Funnily enough I agree with you on both points. However, no matter how much hard work goes into being big I still don't think TNT should give special treatment to the big players. If jazz can have his account unfrozen in 30 minutes then it shouldn't take months for normal players to get a response. That doesn't mean jazz isn't a great gamesplayer and so on and so forth. And I'm sure you've made a great effort to be where you are. That however doesn't mean you should get special treatment. And if you've been unfrozen 3 times, well either you're extremely lucky or else the "it pays to be big" thing has some truth to it.
And as for the toolbar, well I was being sarcastic. I think it's another example of neopets downwards slide into the sewers. But that's just me, i'm a disgruntled ex employee in spirit

alombar42 · **Posted:** Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:59 pm

xjox wrote:

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And did you know that Alombar42 is actually not from Greece. [...]
HRobi - one of the most elite players on the site. She was once a moderator believe it or not, and she was a close friend of alombar.

Well, this is one of the messages I had also found in google, when I posted a message like "search google for alombar42 to find some funny pages" in my shop

BTW, hrobi is one of the players I respect but I don't know. I know gemini6971 (got frozen and never returned), turtlegirlbass (only real competitor, got frozen then quit), dogfriend2 (now at top), chelsealuv, kingstock, alikats71 and of course all players in my mall.

alombar42 · **Posted:** Sun Oct 03, 2004 9:12 pm

dissident wrote:

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However, no matter how much hard work goes into being big I still don't think TNT should give special treatment to the big players. If jazz can have his account unfrozen in 30 minutes then it shouldn't take months for normal players to get a response.
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And as for the toolbar, well I was being sarcastic.

Well, maybe I am wrong but I do believe that the players that are like a "status-quo" for the site or somehow influence (to the good) other players, do deserve special treatment. Keep in mind that they are also the main target of all kinds of attacks (scams, hacks, reports etc). With a shop size 5 and a medium trained pet, no one would ever take one minute to report my account. On the other hand, there are 20 million players and I wouldn't be surprised if 1 out of 1000 reports the top shop...

As for the sarcasm... my english is rather poor, sorry

(yes, I am from Greece)

Morningstar · **Posted:** Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:37 am

dissident wrote:

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Meanwhile most normal people have to wait a year for a "Sorry our system can't tell you why you were frozen" reply. Yup it's good to be big. Just look at how everyone is jumping over themselves to kiss Alombard's tush. I'm sure I'll get flamed for that, but geez. Let's all go download the yahoo toolbar so we can get a paintbrush, that's what's important.

Excuse me, dissident, but no one is jumping all over themselves trying to kiss Alombar's butt. Ever since I started playing--almost two years ago--I looked at Alombar and others in awe and with utmost respect. See, I did not start the game when it first started. I only wish I had. But, I have nothing but respect for those who did. To have stayed with a game for over 4 years takes guts and a lot of perservance. And, I am not saying that he should be looked upon as a god or anything like that, but he should be allowed to have any and every advantage that comes with being a player who has played longer than you.

Let me give you a for instance: I have a really big plushie gallery--610. Ask anyone and they will tell you that is a lot of plushies. There used to be a really big plushie gallery, plushiesrus, and she had just about every plushie. When I first started out, I envied her alright--but I never thought bad of her or felt it unfair that she had plushies that I didn't have. After all, she had been around when those plushies had been released and I hadn't even known of Neopets at the time. Instead, I decided to work as hard as I could to try and get as many plushies as her. And, I came pretty close when she was frozen--also, for a bogus reason like the one alombar received. And, you know something, I miss her. I don't care if she had more plushies than me or would always have more plushies than me--she didn't deserve to be frozen.

And, neither did alombar.

And, as for your statement that "most normal people" wait for a year to be told the status of their unfrozen account, I beg to differ. My husband, after playing for less than 6 months, got frozen for "cheating at flash games" last summer. Less than a week after he sent a letter to Neopets, his account was unfrozen. My daughter's account was frozen last December for scamming--less than a day after I sent an email to staff about it, her account was unfrozen. We don't know any one at Neopets, we haven't been playing for ages, yet those accounts were unfrozen relatively quickly. Explain that one away, dissident. You might want to back up what you say with actual proof--I went to Northwestern Law School, dissident, and I think proof is pretty much essential when you are making blanket statements.

dissident · **Posted:** Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:32 am

Morningstar wrote:

Excuse me, dissident, but no one is jumping all over themselves trying to kiss Alombar's butt.

Mhm.

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And, as for your statement that "most normal people" wait for a year to be told the status of their unfrozen account, I beg to differ. My husband, after playing for less than 6 months, got frozen for "cheating at flash games" last summer. Less than a week after he sent a letter to Neopets, his account was unfrozen. My daughter's account was frozen last December for scamming--less than a day after I sent an email to staff about it, her account was unfrozen. We don't know any one at Neopets, we haven't been playing for ages, yet those accounts were unfrozen relatively quickly. Explain that one away, dissident.

I can't explain that one. But can you deny that there is a general frustration among normal players because they often receive bogus freeze reasons and they often find it very hard to get a proper response from neopets? Maybe there is some deep inner logic as to who is unfrozen quickly and who isn't. Who is replied to and who isn't. I don't know. My personal feeling is that everyone should be equal. And I do believe that people aren't treated equally these days.

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You might want to back up what you say with actual proof--I went to Northwestern Law School, dissident, and I think proof is pretty much essential when you are making blanket statements.

Well, you can always sue me!
Last I checked pinkpt wasn't a court of law. I believe neopets is at its worst right now, and that there are big problems. If you disagree, well I'm sorry but I'm not going to spend my time trying to convince you. You got your outlook, I got mine.

dissident · **Posted:** Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:36 am

alombar42 wrote:

dissident wrote:

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However, no matter how much hard work goes into being big I still don't think TNT should give special treatment to the big players. If jazz can have his account unfrozen in 30 minutes then it shouldn't take months for normal players to get a response.
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And as for the toolbar, well I was being sarcastic.

Well, maybe I am wrong but I do believe that the players that are like a "status-quo" for the site or somehow influence (to the good) other players, do deserve special treatment. Keep in mind that they are also the main target of all kinds of attacks (scams, hacks, reports etc). With a shop size 5 and a medium trained pet, no one would ever take one minute to report my account. On the other hand, there are 20 million players and I wouldn't be surprised if 1 out of 1000 reports the top shop...

As for the sarcasm... my english is rather poor, sorry

(yes, I am from Greece)

I disagree on that then. I don't think anyone deserves special treatment, not when it comes to such severe things as being unfrozen. We're talking about losing your account. I don't think it's fair if a TNT staff member sits and thinks "Oh this guy is only 3 months old and he has no neopoints, I'm not going to bother answering him, he can just create a new account". I'm not saying the big players should be treated worse, I'm saying the small players should be treated better.

Qanda · **Posted:** Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:51 am

dissident wrote:

I disagree on that then. I don't think anyone deserves special treatment, not when it comes to such severe things as being unfrozen. We're talking about losing your account. I don't think it's fair if a TNT staff member sits and thinks "Oh this guy is only 3 months old and he has no neopoints, I'm not going to bother answering him, he can just create a new account". I'm not saying the big players should be treated worse, I'm saying the small players should be treated better.

I am a practicalist. If hypothetically, there is a guy whose account is new and he hasn't much items or anything, I don't see what he has got to lose in making a new account. But if you have millions and millions of neopoints and have spent a few years of hard work amassing them, things get slightly different.

Look at it this way. Two people are about to be killed. One is an old man on the verge of death and one is a bright youth with a grand future ahead of him. If you only had enough time and resources to save one of them, who would you choose?

There are such things as priority, you know.

meowth1982 · **Posted:** Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:07 am

dissident wrote:

My personal feeling is that everyone should be equal. And I do believe that people aren't treated equally these days.

Welcome to real life there darlin'.

dissident · **Posted:** Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:49 am

Qanda wrote:

dissident wrote:

I disagree on that then. I don't think anyone deserves special treatment, not when it comes to such severe things as being unfrozen. We're talking about losing your account. I don't think it's fair if a TNT staff member sits and thinks "Oh this guy is only 3 months old and he has no neopoints, I'm not going to bother answering him, he can just create a new account". I'm not saying the big players should be treated worse, I'm saying the small players should be treated better.

I am a practicalist. If hypothetically, there is a guy whose account is new and he hasn't much items or anything, I don't see what he has got to lose in making a new account. But if you have millions and millions of neopoints and have spent a few years of hard work amassing them, things get slightly different.

Look at it this way. Two people are about to be killed. One is an old man on the verge of death and one is a bright youth with a grand future ahead of him. If you only had enough time and resources to save one of them, who would you choose?

There are such things as priority, you know.

If two people are about to be killed then I do my darndest to avoid anyone dying. Don't tell me neopets only has time and resources to save 50% of their players.
The 3 months old account was just an example anyway. It could be 6 months. It could be 1 month. What if a person had worked his beehind off for one month and amassing an amazing (to him) 100,000. That's worth nothing? What if it was a 5 day old account with an owner that truly loved his pet? Is that worth less than 5 mil in the bank?
Don't get me started on neopets priorities

meowth1982] wrote:

Welcome to real life there darlin'.

Yeah I think that pretty much sums it up. Neopets is becoming more and more like real life. That explains a lot.

Qanda · **Posted:** Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:03 am

dissident wrote:

The 3 months old account was just an example anyway. It could be 6 months. It could be 1 month. What if a person had worked his beehind off for one month and amassing an amazing (to him) 100,000. That's worth nothing? What if it was a 5 day old account with an owner that truly loved his pet? Is that worth less than 5 mil in the bank?
Don't get me started on neopets priorities

I do not believe in anyone truly loving a bunch of pixels. :roll:

And anyway it is highly unlikely anyone would get frozen if they were new and and had no nps or anything. There is just no chance for them to step on the wrong side of the law or be reported by anyone. It's most likely people who have played very long or earnt a lot of nps who get frozen.

dissident wrote:

Yeah I think that pretty much sums it up. Neopets is becoming more and more like real life. That explains a lot.

I play Neopets precisely because it is like real life. You have to survive the snares of scammers, stay on the right side of the law and make sure you are not framed by a disgruntled/jealous rival. And all the while participating in the rat race to earn np. It's a jungle out there, man.

dissident · **Posted:** Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:11 am

Qanda wrote:

I do not believe in anyone truly loving a bunch of pixels. :roll:

And anyway it is highly unlikely anyone would get frozen if they were new and and had no nps or anything. There is just no chance for them to step on the wrong side of the law or be reported by anyone. It's most likely people who have played very long or earnt a lot of nps who get frozen.

Maybe love is a strong word. But I do believe some people care for their pets, I used to care for mine. And don't say new people don't get frozen, you don't actually need to do anything wrong on neopets to be frozen. You post one thing on a neoboard and there's a handy "report this" link right next to your post.

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I play Neopets precisely because it is like real life. You have to survive the snares of scammers, stay on the right side of the law and make sure you are not framed by a disgruntled/jealous rival. And all the while participating in the rat race to earn np. It's a jungle out there, man.

Really? Well to each his own. I find it incredibly sad that neopets is becoming like the real world. Greed and corruption and every other human vice seems to be everywhere. I wanted neopia to be a beautiful magic place. I guess I was naive. If I wanted real life, I'd go outside. *shudder*

xjox · **Posted:** Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:47 pm

Qanda wrote:

I do not believe in anyone truly loving a bunch of pixels. :roll:

And anyway it is highly unlikely anyone would get frozen if they were new and and had no nps or anything. There is just no chance for them to step on the wrong side of the law or be reported by anyone. It's most likely people who have played very long or earnt a lot of nps who get frozen.

You tell that to my 7 year old daughter, she has only been on neopets for a few months, not got many neopoints, no rare items but it would absolutely break her heart if she lost her account. Sure it would be fairly simple to create a new account but its not the same to her. She would never do anything to get herself frozen but that hasnt stopped others from being frozen in the past....

Morningstar, you talk about the law, well doesnt the law give everybody the right to a fair trial, all people want is to be treated equal, regardless of when they started playing neopets or the amount they have in their account..... Yes i think its awful that alombar and others have been frozen through no fault of their own, but they are not the only ones, we shouldnt just fight for them, we should fight for everyone!

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