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 Post subject: Pet Transfers SHOULD be allowed!!
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 4:29 pm 
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With bots now watching the pound, pet transfers should be allowed!

I think that we should be able to purchase pets from other accounts for the same price that they would be worth in the pound. In real life people are allowed to buy pets, so I think we should be able to do so here as well. Users will always transfer pets from one account to another, whether allowed or not, allowing the pet to be purchased would ensure that the pet goes to the account it was intended to. There would be a purchase button on the pet's lookup page - http://www.neopets.com/search.phtml?sel ... TSNAMEHERE like in the pound, you would pay what the pet is worth, no haggling. If your pet in the pound is worth 5,000 nps, then you'd only be able to buy the pet for 5,000 nps. You wouldn't be allowed to pay more or less than what the pet is worth. You obviously would not be allowed to purchase the pet if the owner did not approve the purchase. If people want to send the pet from their gallery to their main account, they could just transfer some neopoints to the correct account, then purchase the pet. This would eliminate a lot of dropped pet problems. If people didn't want to sell/transfer their pet, they could check a box on http://www.neopets.com/preferences.phtml the preferences page that says "Block Pet Purchases - Check this box if you do not want to sell or transfer your pet". I know Neopets discourages transfering pets, however people will do it whether you allow it or not, so it might as well be possible.


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Last I knew, though, the amount it cost to adopt a pet went to the pound.


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Yeah, when the pet's in the pound the nps go to the pound. But if you were transfering your pet, you would pay account A to buy the pet on account B. The money would just go to the account you're buying the pet from. There shouldn't be an ethical reason not to do it, otherwise you wouldn't be able to buy and sell horses, or show dogs, or rare cats.


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if the money went to the account then, many, mahy users would sell pets for more, and make the other users pay them by buying things from hteir personal shops. The idea aint bad, but if the user was to pay someone to get a hold of a pet, it should be the pound, so that way they wont "sell" the pet.


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if the money went to the account then, many, mahy users would sell pets for more, and make the other users pay them by buying things from hteir personal shops.
You couldn't pay by buying from the shop, you would have to pay by purchasing the pet. It would be like buying an item from a shop. You'd click the "Buy" button under the pet, and the owner would get a neomail saying that someone would like to buy the pet. It would be like trades in that sense. The owner would have to accept the purchase, and then it would go through. But there would be no deciding on the price between the people. It would be all set like the pound, and you would have to pay only in nps, in the amount specified by TNT.

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The idea aint bad, but if the user was to pay someone to get a hold of a pet, it should be the pound, so that way they wont "sell" the pet.
That's a good idea too, it'd be like a transfer fee. It would be the same method as what I suggested above, but instead of the original owner getting the money, it would go to Neopets. It would discourage selling, because no one would make money, but it would enable transfering safely.


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I like the idea (although I think it would be better if the owner had to prompt the other account... I can just imagine featheralley getting spammed) but I always figured the risk of the pound would be a factor that helps prevent people from buying/selling pets.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 6:26 pm 
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What's so wrong with buying pets in the first place? As it stands, the only problem with it currently is that there isn't a way to garauntee that you'll get the pet or your money. If there was a secure way to transfer pets to another account, then why not a secure way to sell them? There could be a calculator based on stats, species, and color that would determine the selling price and pets zapped by the lab wouldn't be able to be sold to prevent lab farming. I mean, as long as they aren't going for real money, I fail to see a problem.


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I totally agree with the concept, the ability to be able to transfer pets safely, but I don't neccessarily think that your idea is definitely the best one. Firstly, I don't think people should make money of it, and secondly, it should be the owner's oppurtunity to open the transfer. For example, there's an option for you to type the name into a box, and it's like a NeoFriend request - "Do you want to accept this pet?" gets sent to the other player.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 6:37 pm 
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They could also execute a trading post idea, if they want to look, you sift through the pets and choose one you would like, requesting the pet and maybe a small application. If you wanted to get rid of it, you could choose the best pet, and so it isn't a trophy pet.


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I don't think any application process is a good idea. There'd simply be too much spam for painted and limited edition pets. I'd like to have another center, separate from the pound, and if you see a pet you like you buy it instead of adopting. And/Or an option to send a pet to another account either as a gift(transfer) or purchase with the second account either accepting or rejecting the offer. They could also limit the number of transfers/sold pets. Even being able sell/transfer one pet a week would be awesome.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 7:29 pm 
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if the money went to the account then, many, mahy users would sell pets for more, and make the other users pay them by buying things from hteir personal shops.
You couldn't pay by buying from the shop, you would have to pay by purchasing the pet. It would be like buying an item from a shop. You'd click the "Buy" button under the pet, and the owner would get a neomail saying that someone would like to buy the pet. It would be like trades in that sense. The owner would have to accept the purchase, and then it would go through. But there would be no deciding on the price between the people. It would be all set like the pound, and you would have to pay only in nps, in the amount specified by TNT.


I believe that what vicky was trying to say is that people would still sell their pets for high prices by telling other players that they will sell/transfer the pet to them only if they buy an overpriced item from their shop.

I agree that this might be a problem, however i don't think it will be too prevelant as it would be easy for a player to have people buy their overpriced items but then never transfer the pet. While similar scams happen already I don't think that such a black market would be a prohibitibly big problem.

Neopets could also maintain a plausable denaiblity about it stating that they don't accept people selling their pets, only transfering them. I believe that the ability for them to take that kind of stance increacese the likelyhood of implementation for this idea


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Its not going to happen. One of Neo's oldest rule is no selling pets. If they ever had a way to transfer, too many scams and what not would take place.


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There's no way to prevent people from scamming others out of money for pets. The only way to stop it would be to remove the adoption center entirely so that pets would remain on your account indefinately or perhaps be deleted. Even if such measures were taken, that wouldn't stop people from merely selling accounts. If you're too young to understand why you shouldn't give someone your pet on merely their word that they will repay after they receive your pet, then you'd still be on an under 13 account and wouldn't be able to even talk to other players on Neopets to begin with. So, I think I agree with you when all Neopets needs to say is that you shouldn't buy/sell/transfer pets outside of whatever system they'd implement, in the same way you shouldn't trade with players outside of the trading post.

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Its not going to happen. One of Neo's oldest rule is no selling pets. If they ever had a way to transfer, too many scams and what not would take place.


See my post above for why there wouldn't be more scams. As for whether or not TNT would actually implement this, of course they wouldn't do something that would benefit their fans if there's nothing in it for them. I'm quite aware this would take a while to pull off, and I know full well that TNT has the worst customer service record of anyone I can think of. It'd be great if they did make secure transfers, but I'm not holding my breath.


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Its not going to happen. One of Neo's oldest rule is no selling pets. If they ever had a way to transfer, too many scams and what not would take place.


See my post above for why there wouldn't be more scams. As for whether or not TNT would actually implement this, of course they wouldn't do something that would benefit their fans if there's nothing in it for them. I'm quite aware this would take a while to pull off, and I know full well that TNT has the worst customer service record of anyone I can think of. It'd be great if they did make secure transfers, but I'm not holding my breath.


Sure there would. Say you have a secure way, but you could still trick a newbie. "This pet is going to retire soon, I would buy this one while you still can" or "It says this pet is only worth 5000np, but TNT din't factor in this, this and this, so send me a lab map, then I'll let you buy him"


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Nyeh. Stick as much logic up as you like, rally the masses...TNT still doesn't give a rip.


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